February 11, 2009
Q & A With Gary De Rodriguez
Love & Light
Question:
Is there one reality, is there one God or is there just multitudes of internal representations of whatever that life-force is?
Gary:
I would say, at this level of consciousness that there is multiple levels of interpretations, because we are in the ultimate form of separation in the human body, and in this, the way that we perceive through the density of our bodies through the density our minds, and especially our egos we can only see through the filters of what we have made up about the outside world individually. So, yes we will describe individually a different meaning and a different interpretation to the thing called god because we are attempting to understand it. And we can only understand it through the filters of our individual collective experience. At another realm of existence there is only one God. There is just one energy that is emanating out throughout creation and animating all things. So, I would say to you: Yes and Yes! At one level of existence there is only one God; at our level of existence, there are a myriad of Gods according to how we have separated ourselves of and created our own individual creations to be what they are.
Remember that story I told about my time in India? Where the Master was giving Dorchen (?)
And I was sitting in the audience and the Master’s eyes walked onto mine; I lost consciousness of my body. It was like in an instant, even less than an instant, I was in this milky way of lights. And all that was in existence was love contemplating itself, individuated but yet, the same.
And it is very difficult to describe but it was this feeling of: I am not different than this glowing orb in the middle of this galaxy of lights but I have individuation. But, what makes it the same is the intense love that is being contemplated. It is almost like love contemplating itself. And at that level of existence there is nothing but just love contemplating itself. Now, I remember the Master used to be asked: Why did creation begin? And as I think back, it was maybe a minute, maybe not even that, maybe just a second that I was in that state, and I remember in that state, I said: Oh my God, I am with God! And I also remember that the intensity of love was so intense, I had the thought: “If that is what I experienced all the time, I would be bored.”
I remember having the thought, and as soon as I had the thought I was back down in my body and my eyes opened and the Master was moving on to someone else. And I thought, ha, so that is how creation began. We got bored with the love. And we took a little trip!
And we said to ourselves: We would like to experience more. And so each of us splintered off to experience more. And do you remember one of the Star Track movies, one of the first ones? Voyager? That little satellite that got sent off into space and came back as this monolithic all-powerful conglomerate of every learning it had ever had seeking? Its’ God, its’ creator? I kind of think that is how we are.
We have gone of seeking, now we are seeking back to that love, that we miss so much. Most of us just want to go home. Like, we just want to go home.
And it is now up to us, those of us who are really having that longing to seek for the way to achieve that and find that realm of oneness once again. Because, quite frankly, it is not a whole hack of a lot of fun here, after you have done the sex, you have done the drugs and you have done the money, you have done all of that. It is just not a whole hack of a lot of fun!
Comment:
You can repeat this!
Gary:
You can repeat this for eternity and there is no judgment! That is just what your soul is choosing to do. My soul is choosing: Get the hell out of here!
Question:
If we get back there, are we going to get bored again?
Gary:
I certainly hope not!
From the prospective: If we have already experienced all of this, then, we kind of know what there is creation has to offer. There is no doubt that there is pleasures here, right?
Question:
Do you think that we will remember?
Gary:
I don’t know. I think, once we leave here, we will definitely be in that place of waking up from the dream. You know, when we wake up from a dream, the dream evaporates out of our consciousness and it just fades into nothingness. I think, that is how our memories of our existence, our egos, our identities will be. We get to think of the fact that in Quantum physics they have proven that there are eleven different dimensions to reality. Which means that there is vast possibilities for existence of consciousness. Vast! And you hear about people who contact the relatives on the other side. And the relatives are speaking to them and the relatives are very attached and everybody is saying: Oh G, my relatives are in heaven!
In my prospective, there is many, many different levels of existence and depending on what your attachments are that is where you go. So, when people tap into, let’s say ‘the other side’ and are talking to the relatives, I am saying: God, that’s a pity! The relatives are in some sort of lower astral heaven, hanging out, still totally attached to what is down here, so how far did they really progress? So, in a way, that’s not really heaven, is it? If that realm of existence is still attached to what is happing here then there is a possibility that the attachments to people, family, friends is not really what I would call heaven! It is just another level of existence outside of the realm of the 3-dimensional body. But it is not heaven.
Comment:
If they stay there, to support us here, that is a very high level of love, isn’t it?
Gary:
It can be. I mean, if you think for a moment of what brings families together? What if we have been traveling with the same set of souls for eternity? What if? Why do you think we were incarnated to the very specific family units we were incarnated into? If we did not have vast historical karmic bonds to these people?
So, it is really important that we heal the family dynamics in this lifetime, because we just will travel with them for eternity until we do. I think that there is some sort of core bond with individuals that we have incarnated through. Why out of all the billions of genealogical combinations you could be incarnated in through you came through your mother and your father? Who chose that? If we actually chose that I believe that we chose that for some sort of spiritual evolutionary purpose. It is not, that our bodies and egos do not suffer, they absolutely do. But if we are choosing that and we have chosen it for our own spiritual wake-up-call then somewhere in the metaphor of the family dynamics, there is a huge spiritual lesson. For what our soul is attempting to teach itself, for whatever experiences we think we are lacking. So then our family becomes this doorway, this gateway into enlightenment, as do our relationships with the men and the women that we have come in contact with. You know those ones, this principle male and female figures that have floated into our lives and often times floated out again, that they hold some significant value. Significant! I have talked to you guys before about that nine-year-relationship I was in, where it was just torturous and I was in some much pain about it? And I would say, out of that, I got to face my really deepest shadow-sides. All my incongruencies, that I couldn’t tell the truth, I could not keep my word: It was just awful! I got to just look at all of that about myself. And come out of that experience, going: OK, I only will commit to what I know I can keep my word to. My truth is more important than anything, my integrity is more important than anything, because I have got to experience the other side of that: Having no integrity and living outside of my own truth. It was so painful I could hardly stay in my own skin. So, unless I would have had this type of experience I doubt if I would value my word as much as I do. Because, I know the pain of the other path, widely taken. We definitely suffer and we definitely act badly at times, aren’t we? What are we teaching ourselves from the reaction that we get from the world based upon our particular atrophied aspects being expressed? We get to feel the pain of it, don’t we? What is that teaching us? And when the pain gets really big, we generally stop doing what we do. I wish we could learn outside the realm of pain but I have yet to notice that I do. I don’t know about the rest of you but I haven’t noticed that I don’t… like I would really get happy: Oh, G, that is so great, I think I will do that all the time. Because generally only when I am in mortal pain then I stop doing what I am doing and I will do something else. Anyone else noticed that about themselves?
Question:
I was thinking about reality and perception, and it looks like that there is no reality; it is only perception, for example this chair. Is it a chair? Is it a piece of wood, or if you move closer just molecules?
Gary:
It is all-subjective. Reality really does not exist at this realm. It just does not.
Question:
What is real?
Gary:
We can agree upon it. This is why NeuroLinguisticProgramming becomes so important because it gives us the tools to learn how to navigate our way through the hallucinations in a world that is based on subjective experience. Because, every one of us is hallucinating. And unless we have profound tools to teach us how we have constructed our reality and how other people construct reality we do not know how to navigate our way through this. What causes the bulk of the pain for most human beings is that there is no connection here. There is no connection here.
Question:
Are we really in relationship with one another or are we in relationship with our hallucination of the other person?
Gary:
That’s big, and I will say, if I was to make up something about that, that this is exactly right. That we are in relationship with our hallucination of the other person and at another level there is often times in core principle relationships, there is history there. There is like lifetimes of history with a person. And that there can be at times a deeper level that is an operation that has to do with the soul, like two souls recognize each other. And even then though at this level of how we function here in the density of matter, because sometimes I feel like I am in a deep-sea diving suit. You are looking out at the strange world through a series of masks. My ego that has made up whatever it has made up about life and love and right and wrong and love, whatever love can be here, is what I have to operate through to make a connection with another person. So, I have to operate through all this outer ware to be able to connect with someone’s soul. And there are moments where we can. There is moments when you can look into another person’s eyes and you see them. Through all the different layers of defenses that each person has around love. So I will say, no we are not in a relationship with one another we are in relationship of what we have made up, our hallucination, but I will also say that there is moments when this hallucination falls apart and you are able to see into the other person. I have not experienced that often, but there is periods of time especially in my current relationship I can say the first time I can experience glimpses where everything just drops away and there is just love. How many of you had that? Everything just drops away and there is just love left, just an instant. It does not last very long, just an instance. And sometimes that is all it takes. That is all it takes, it just an instance, where you kind of touch eternity for just a moment.
Question:
When you step out on the future time-line and you experience certain experiences what are you actually experiencing?
Gary:
That is a big question.
Time is like a river. And when we are standing in it in that moment and we step out in the future time-line and we experience an experience what I would make up about that is that is what is possible at that moment in time to be in the future. However your choices from that moment on can affect what you experienced out there on the future time-line. So, at that moment collectively of all the things that you are in that moment when you step out into your future time-line, what you access is what is possible from the context of that moment. But the choices you make from that point forward can either turn you to left or to the right or keep you focused on your outcome.
Question:
If you stepped out into the future-time-line five minutes later, it could be different?
Gary:
It could be somewhat different. This is a really big question, and I will say, I don’t have the answers to this one. But I will take a step at it: The whole idea of pre-destination and the whole idea of karma, because they say in India, that when a soul enters the body it passes through the sea of forgetfulness and for a moment it sees all the things that it will experience in time. I think we have conditioned free will. I think we also have the ability to affect the future. I do believe that there are things that are indelibly imprinted upon our life-experience that will come to pass. And how we float through those experiences is whether we bring away a scar or we bring away a blessing. And that is where the free will and the internal resources come into play. And that is where I believe we can change the course of our destiny is how we respond to the pre-determined circumstances of our live. Does that make any sense? Because, I know, if I was born into a nomadic tribe in Africa I have the same neurological possibilities as a wealthy Jewish child born in New York City. I have the same neurological possibilities but my karmic path is different. How my neurology is imprinted by the values and the beliefs of my environment and my ancestry deeply affect the choices I am going to make and how those choices will be governed by the values of my collective culture around me. And that has been pre-determined. They say in India that every hair on your head is counted. Every breath is counted. Now, we come into the world as a modeling-machine imprinting the collective atrophied aspects of our mothers and our fathers. And there are things that are completely healed about their personalities and there are things that are completely atrophied. And we model it subconsciously and that imprints us to be able to either flow through life right and direct in their footsteps or change the way that we were programmed by our own will and our own choices based out of a deeper soul-learning. If we follow the footsteps of our parents, I think that we follow a very specific course of experiences. If we choose to change that course we step out of that stream somewhat and we start making choices out of our own will to approach life-circumstances differently and from that we get a different response from the world and our identity starts to become different.
So, I think it is pre-determined, I think we have free will.
(more tomorrow)
